Spirituality & Motherhood Episode 16: Chakra Khan

[00:00:00] Jeannette: Peace and innumerable blessings and welcome, welcome. Welcome to the spirituality and motherhood podcast, where we're going to look at that sacred space where spirituality meets motherhood by exploring everything from how ancestral and earth based spiritual paths and practices, shape motherhood to how having spiritual gifts impacts your experience as a mother. I'm Jeanette Lancien your host. 

[00:00:30] Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Let's dig in. So for this episode, um, I had the wonderful opportunity to talk to Chakra Khan of Nama stoned, and we talked about her experience working with psychedelics and her just connection to plants in general and how it's been able to hold this sacred space for her to be the mom

[00:00:58] that she has always wanted to be and also just how plants have shaped her path in general. It was a really eye opening, experience. I love, I love talking about spirituality and motherhood and hearing women's stories, but like, um, plant mamas have a special space in my heart. They just do. They just do.

[00:01:24] As a tree talker. I'm just always excited when I get opportunity to learn about how plants have shaped somebody else's life., but before we get that, it was like a little bug in my ear. I'm sitting by the ancestral alternative. Like you got some businesses spills. So I guess I'm going to tell my business.

[00:01:44] Yeah, let's do that. 

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[00:01:53] Jeannette: Okay. Let's dig into it. It's going to be channeled. So I don't know how it's going to go. So if you had the opportunity to listen to the last episode where I share what being in this new house has been liked and how it's been, what has been like working with a house that has, challenges in its foundation.

[00:02:14] And that challenge in the foundation of the house is pointing out my own sort of, um, foundational issues. It and just how that adventure has been. It feels like it important to share like, uh, what sort of practices. Yes. What sort of spiritual practices I'm doing to navigate it and how it's going. So let's start with the spiritual practices it's been, it's been, I'm not gonna lie.

[00:02:40] It's been hell cause it's very challenging to be parenting in a foreign country, in a foreign culture during COVID while, um, exploring the ways that, you know, you know, being raised the way I was impacted me. So the things that I have been leaning on in terms of spiritual practice and path is a lot of prayer, a lot of prayer, a lot of prayer.

[00:03:13] Me and the Psalms and the book of Kings just thick as thieves these days, which is interesting when I look back and think about my childhood, because my father was always , reading, Psalms, or reading Corinthians or reading, like he was always in his Bible. So it's very soothing.

[00:03:36] And high-key entertaining to be digging into the Bible. Cause that's not necessarily what I thought I was I would be doing or what would bring me solace or what would, actually seem like it's affecting my healing in a positive way. , and it's very interesting. The book I've been working with, I have my Daddy's Bible.

[00:03:57] And like, I really feel like I should get more into Bibliomancy, but I, I haven't, I haven't like that is calling it's like, you need to open up and read it. I was like, oh, can I just work with Powers of the Psalms? And that's what I've been working with. Powers of the Psalms. There's a Psalm for everything.

[00:04:12] And my spirit is soothed and moved and I'm finding, I'm finding myself being guided, around like things to do. So that's one spiritual practice. Like I, yeah, one spiritual practice and the irony is like, we always pray the twent- like I always pray the 23rd Psalm and it makes me so much think of my Daddy.

[00:04:36] Cause we would like always read the 23rd Psalm before going to sleep. It always made for good dreams. Some other things, other practices that I've been leaning into is a lot of candle magic. I love fire. I love water, but like I very much am fire, like the elements of mother earth, a very much been pulling me in to kind of sharpen and shift how my intuition works and flows.

[00:05:04] Um, there's also been an abundance of spiritual baths. An abundance of spirit, an abundance. I, I kid you not like four out of seven days in the week, my tails and a spiritual bath, and it's been helpful.

[00:05:21] It's been very, very helpful in, um, allowing me to be clear about what needs to be healed. It has been very helpful around moving some stagnant energy. It's been very helpful in like doing heavy lifting. Cause if you, if you involve the right plants, things move, um, and kind of by just non-sequitur.

[00:05:50] I did one of my favorite things to do when, I'm in a everything was healed sort of space, which happens with me sometimes I'm like, this needs to be healed by five o'clock goddammit. But, um, I talked to a shaman, which is, it was loving. I liked it. It was very helpful.

[00:06:08] I very much enjoy working with shamans to get to, um, to understand things from a different space and to see things from a different space because it's, they just see things differently from my experience from rather than when I'm talking to a reader, who's you know..

[00:06:26] The ancestors communicate with shamans, at least from my experience in a different way than they communicate with, um, readers that I'm working with. I'm trying to think of anything else wants to be talked about. Cause it's been, it's been a beast, but what feels most helpful is like the spiritual baths.

[00:06:50] Definitely the prayers I find like the more I pray, the more. Deeply connected to my ancestors, my honorable ancestors, which actually feels like it needs to be talked about again. Um, I am, and the more I do this work around healing foundation, doing foundational healing, the more I. I feel like the ancestors who are around me are shifting they're shifting again.

[00:07:21] And in many ways it's sad because like, um, I'm very, I I'm very love and light. I'm very Pollyanna. I am not I, so to actually. And it's been interesting because we had a conversation where I kind of lit them up and then like, I felt bad. I was like, oh, I can't light y'all up. Y'all like, this is your trauma too.

[00:07:48] Like, how am I going to be mad that like you're traumatized and I'm traumatized and we're traumatized together. How could I be mad? You just can't, you know, you just can't sit at the table on these sort of decisions. You're going to have to leave this table. Now that table, you can stay at that. Those things you are solid on, on.

[00:08:07] You're solid when we communicate on these things, but this stuff right here, this trauma and all the stuff that unfurls around it, I can't take your advice no more. I just can't because this is, I'm not trying to go from one ruckus to another ruckus. Things are changing. We ain't got time for all this ruckus.

[00:08:33] I'm not trying to deal with all the ruckuses. So there's been, uh, to be completely honest, there's like grief around that. And then there's yeah, it's been interesting. It's been an interesting, hard stinky time and I'm so looking forward to being for shifting, but you know, we'll make it through one way or another. . Anyway, let's dig into this interview. I pray. Bless it you peace.

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[00:09:08] Jeannette: The people need to hear your juice about plant medicine and I'm so sorry. Cause like I don't record everything, but like let's get into the juice of you and -

[00:09:17] Chakra Khan: - Right away

[00:09:18] Jeannette: Plant Medicine Yeah, let's do it. We're here the baby's quiet. Let's do it. 

[00:09:25] Chakra Khan: Let's do it. Are you ready Tiger lily. Are you ready?

[00:09:33] I'm just like, whatever, 

[00:09:35] Jeannette: you know what (laughter),

[00:09:39] So you combine plant medicine and yoga. And can you talk about how you, first of all, how did you end up working with plant medicine? How did the plants get you? 

[00:09:52] Chakra Khan: Plants got me. It's funny because I was, I was raised in a cult. And I was against all drugs and I was, this is a long about way how I got into plant medicine, but I was a single mom and I was working as a sales rep.

[00:10:15] For a company that sold biomedical devices, um, for infertility to hospitals. So I was traveling a lot and I was missing about two and a half to three weeks of my son's life of basil, which is incidentally named all of my children after plans. But that was purely coincidentally

[00:10:39] and I got (him) into this really cool kindergarten where the parents have to volunteer. It was a co-op you have to volunteer in order for your kid to go there. And I thought, well, how am I going to like, do both of these things? So I quit my job.

[00:11:01] I quit my job. And I got a job working for a startup cannabis company called the Venice cookie company. And I was able to work part-time and be class mom, and basically spend the four hours a day at school with him that I wanted to. And I took a massive, like a massive pay cut. I'm talking like a $50,000 a year pay cut to do this.

[00:11:30] So we moved into a smaller place. My parents didn't know what I was selling. They were furious when they found out, but they supported and keep in mind and like, you know, 30 now, um, they supplemented my income so I could be a present parent for Basil and I kept working. And pretty soon, like sales were picking up and within

[00:12:01] I don't know, two years, I'm making $20,000 a month selling legal weed, working. Part-time being a present parent. So when I say plant medicine changed my life, it changed my life and the ability to show up for my kid and be the mommy that I had wanted to be his entire life. It just took five years to get there.

[00:12:24] Right.

[00:12:27] Jeannette: I'm so happy for you. And, that's one of the first questions I had is what is your relationship with marijuana like? 

[00:12:32] Chakra Khan: I love her. I love her. Santa Maria. She is magical. And so many ways she has saved me in so many ways. I don't know if you want to get into like juicy dirt, 

[00:12:53] Jeannette: Go wherever you like. I'm really curious. 

[00:12:57] Chakra Khan: You know, how does after you have a baby and you don't necessarily feels sexual. 

[00:13:03] Jeannette: Yup. 

[00:13:05] Chakra Khan: You get, at least I was touched out. I didn't want to be touch by anyone because everyone's making physical demands of my body after I did this physically demanding thing. My husband is all up in his feelings. You don't love me. You don't think I'm sexy.

[00:13:24] I'm like, oh my God, do I need to make space for your feelings too?

[00:13:30] I'm postpartum!!!!! But yeah, I do need to consider him too because of nine months not wanting to be touched, moving into another nine months of it. Um, cannabis can be a real thigh-opener.

[00:13:52] Um, I was, I don't have this company anymore because California cannabis laws suck. Um, I had an edibles company where we would make candy that made you feel like you had an open chakra. So sacral chakra, candies would flood the basement. And they gave me a sustainable sex life until mentally my body, my body wanted it physically, if that makes sense.

[00:14:29] Jeannette: Yes, it does. 

[00:14:30] Chakra Khan: Yes. So yeah, cannabis has been really instrumental in my life as far as supporting the family and making my husband feel loved and appreciated putting me in that right space to do it. 

[00:14:46] Jeannette: Beautiful. So like, how did you meet Santa Maria? How did you meet Cannabis? 

[00:14:52] Chakra Khan: Um, I maybe smoked pot like once a year for a few years. My ex-husband was a big stoner and I thought that that was really shitty. Because of how I was raised. Like, you don't do drugs. So when we had Basil like I, when he was gone, he took his bongs I took his pipe. I threw them in the dumpster, but like I broke them and threw them in the dumpster.

[00:15:18] I'm like, it's time to grow up. Um, but when I walked out of working for, Invitrogen, and that was the company that I was working for. I needed a job. And I saw an ad for a sales rep for a company that specialized in nutraceutical food. That was their way of saying edibles. 

[00:15:47] Jeannette: Nutraceutical food, I love it. 

[00:15:50] Chakra Khan: So I applied and they called me back and we had a resume and I had a real meeting of the minds with 

[00:16:00] the CEO, Marco he's like, well, tell me something about yourself. And I'm like, well, right off the bat, I need one month off every summer. So I can go to burning man. And he goes, you're a burner? And that's how I got introduced into the cannabis world. It was, um, at first I didn't try any. But as I am trying to sell the product and I'm meeting people who are telling me how much it changed their lives, by getting them off of, um, off of pharmaceutical meds.

[00:16:35] I met a woman who had overdosed. She. She had cancer and she was discombobulated and she confused which medication she was taking. And she took too much of the wrong one and ended up back in the hospital. So her daughter, are you getting all in here now? Tigie um, so her daughter started giving her cannabis to manage her pain.

[00:16:58] So she went from four or five different meds to one single med that she got to smoke or eat, and she was able to control how much she took and how she, how she felt. I mean, let's not lie, like 

[00:17:18] Jeannette: that's empowering. 

[00:17:19] Chakra Khan: Yeah. And I'd much rather eat a brownie than take a Vicodin.

[00:17:25] Jeannette: Yes, absolutely. Yes. Wow. Wow. So, was cannabis around, like even when you were younger, like, did she pop up? Or, she just wrote in with the husband, be like, Hey, 

[00:17:43] the ex. 

[00:17:45] Chakra Khan: She rolled in with the husband and it wasn't until we were divorced that I let her in my life. And I have to tell you how shocked he was, because he was like, are you kidding me? You owe me so many bonds right now.

[00:18:03] Cause it was a huge, it was, it was, it was big fights in our house over it. I didn't understand that he was using it as medicine. I didn't understand that that was how he was treating his depression. I don't even think he knew it at the time. That's what he was doing. You know, he just knew he needed to get up and he needed to take it when he got up and.

[00:18:29] Being raised in a very closed off environment. Like I wasn't allowed to hang out with anyone that wasn't from my religion. So my only baseline was what my parents told me, Tiggie, go see Daddy.

[00:18:51] The joys of being a stay at home mom, but my husband is still here. Can you go see Papa?

[00:18:59] Jeannette: So with that being said, like, did she bring any other friends with her,

[00:19:05] any other plant friends with her? Like I saw you did something like a class with mugwort. Mugwort could also send you out there. Like 

[00:19:14] Chakra Khan: She has bought all the friends with her. So after cannabis, we moved on to mushrooms.

[00:19:26] I love working with mushrooms. Um, it's not a plant. I like psychedelics. I love LSD. I was microdosing with mushrooms and LSD for probably six months. And then I found out that I was pregnant with her, so I had to stop and I'm looking forward to not breastfeeding anymore. So then I can start microdosing the mushrooms again, I had this idea because you also know, you know, I'm a tarot reader and a psychic, so that would be really interesting to microdose mushrooms a little bit every day and see what happened.

[00:20:12] Um. After the first month of mushrooms, my body stopped craving alcohol. So, you know, and I wasn't an alcoholic, but I can certainly, you know, start with a glass of wine and finish with two bottles if I was with friends. Um, but the need physical need that you have when you're in a social situation to drink with other people is gone.

[00:20:37] So I haven't had a drink in how old is she? She's one. So I guess like two and a half, three years, I haven't had any alcohol. Well, I had some, like, I had a glass of wine, um, half a glass of wine. When we went out to dinner with some business associates and they were French. Like you drink wine drink, 

[00:21:00] Jeannette: Yes, you have wine with French or you will be bullied. You have alcohol with the French or they will bully you.

[00:21:06] Chakra Khan: He looked at me like crazy and I'm like, I don't drink. And he's like, what? What, you don't drink?!,

[00:21:12] I will have some wine. There is definitely a nipple in that bottle with me though. Um, so that was the first, that was the first profound experience I had with mushrooms. Was that it just. Took away the social need to drink, which is really it's mental. Um, and the hopes was that I would do a really big dose and try and channel messages from spirit to interpret a tarot deck.But I didn't get that far along in the process because baby.

[00:21:55] You're just being wiggly. I'm going to put this up here now. Just your friend. 

[00:22:04] Jeannette: So, um, okay. Two different directions. The first direction is, as you worked being a tarot reader and being psychic, how has working with plants shifted that for you? Or has it shifted that for you or has it 

[00:22:18] Chakra Khan: it's amazing! So every year at burning man, I bring a camp there called the Botanica Bodhi men, men, and the Jesus.

[00:22:32] It's a Hoodoo camp and we explore lots of stuff in there. And people also come and give you things because it's pretty, man. You get a gift. Yeah. Someone gave me a gift. I tried some and my third eye

[00:22:54] was wide open. It was straight up channeling. I don't know where stuff was coming from, but this woman came in and she was crying and she said, you need to help me. She's like, can you help find lost things? And I. Yes. What did you lose? And she said, my ring. And I said, you left it at pyramid lake.

[00:23:17] When you went swimming on your way in,

[00:23:24] Jeannette: Wow

[00:23:24] Chakra Khan: where did that come from? Where did that come from? That's the first, that was the first day and the last time, anything like that has ever happened, but it was because. Of that plant, like every single wall was down. Um, and as a spiritualist, that's really scary. becasue you don't know what can come in. Yeah.

[00:23:56] So I don't think I'd care to repeat that experience again, because I'd like to be able to control what can come in. I don't know how much work you do. Um, but. Sorry, this is baby 

[00:24:14] Jeannette: babies. 

[00:24:15] Chakra Khan: Hold on I'm just going to move myself into the kitchen where she can't.

[00:24:23] She can't get this. 

[00:24:26] So that was my experience with that one.

[00:24:33] I started doing stoned yoga when I was in LA working for the Venice cookie company. And I was doing that for several years. I have a company called Namastoned. Um, and we moved out to the desert, the high desert, where cannabis is not legal at all. There are no delivery services. There is nothing. Um, so it made me open up to legal psychedelics.

[00:25:05] And that's how I started working with the plants that I'm working with now at the yoga, studio. Okay. Um, mugwort, uh, blue Lotus blue Lotus is my favorite. Really fun is really, cause I'm not familiar with these when I start them. So it's a real nose dive into legal psychedelics and the best preparations for them.

[00:25:33] Um, this month we're working with Calea zacatechichi, which is the Mexican dream herb, which I took three times. And I'm not taking that again.

[00:25:53] It has really intense, beautiful dreams that are like in Technicolor, like wizard of Oz, huge dreams. But I had something get past my spiritual barriers and come and see me in the astral realm. And I'm like, no, I don't like you, I don't like that. So. I'm going to take that as a sign that that's probably not a plant medicine I should work with.

[00:26:20] And I'm going to respect that boundary.

[00:26:27] Jeannette: How has working with plant medicine supported you as, as a mom, just out of cannabis, creating space to anchor you, to be able to be the mom that you wanted to be. What are other, what other ways has it supported you outside of, you know, just you and basil cause you have three 

[00:26:44] kids, right?

[00:26:45] Chakra Khan: I have three kids now I have, I have, I don't want to say diminished my work. I have stopped using plant medicine as a way to, to commodify. If that makes sense. 

[00:27:07] Jeannette: Yes, it does.

[00:27:08] Chakra Khan: I'm not commodifying it anymore. When I was working for the big cannabis company, you know, I had goals, I had a number of accounts that I had to close.

[00:27:18] I actually moved up into the company and I became business development manager. Um, I was commodifying the plant then and there's, um,

[00:27:30] You always respect the plant, but you stop thinking about it when there's, when there is pressure and that's actually why. I am d - using it the way I'm using it. Now we're using it in meditation. I am holding two weekly yoga classes with it, and I do a lot of retreats with plant medicine, not specifically cannabis right now.

[00:27:56] Um, so it's kind of my.

[00:28:04] With three kids and me wanting to stay home to be at home with them because I can, this is kind of my.

[00:28:14] My self care. Yes. It's really hard to have a personal spiritual practice at home with three kids because, you know, they like to get into everything. You know, we had to have a talk about Mommy's magic candles. Um, I do a lot of client work and spell work, so I've got like my personal altar. I've got the altars that I use for my clients.

[00:28:37] And, you know, it's really hard to get that time. My time in my class with my students is as my personal time too, and where I get to continue that spiritual nourishment, the prep time is spiritual growth as I get to learn, because, you know, if I say, I want to sit down and read about this plant, no, but if I'm working people actually in the house, they respect work, not so much personal time.

[00:29:12] Jeannette: Yes. Yes. Have you found yourself per chance, like dropping little hints when you're doing spell work around your kids being like, oh, this is for this over this or this, because I find myself sometimes being like, okay, this plants, this, okay. When you work with this plant for, and they'll be like, oh, this. Do you find yourself doing that?

[00:29:32] Chakra Khan: I do with my older son, but not my younger children. So my oldest Basil is 16 and August is five and doesn't really care.

[00:29:47] All right, hold on. I see death.

[00:29:57] Sorry. She was going to fall off. She was going to fall off of something and I'm like, yeah, that's not good. Um, -

[00:30:04] Jeannette: I get it I get it. 

[00:30:05] Chakra Khan: Auggie doesn't, he doesn't care. I'm homeschooling him and Basil right now. And you know, it's always an argument. Why do you have to teach me? Why do you have to teach me? And I'm like, so I don't go to jail.

[00:30:15] And so yesterday he said, mom, can you just go to jail for a little while? So I could have a break?

[00:30:26] But Basil tries the plant medicine with me. Like when I make not the cannabis, but when we do the Lotus, you know, I make Lotus tea. Um, he drinks the tea. He tried, the Calea Zacatechichi he drinks? Um, kava. I actually, because he, um, he ha- he's autistic. And he has depression. I've been giving Basil Kava since he was a kid, just, you know, a couple of, a couple of a dropper fulls of tincture every day.

[00:31:08] So plant medicines, actually not new to Basil and when it was just he and I, and I had a ton of weed and edibles in the house, we had a conversation about before you eat anything, ask, this looks like candy, but it's not it's medicine. If you take it, make you really sick because you don't need it. But these kids are getting a bit of a different, different upbringing than, than Basil did.

[00:31:39] So we'll see what happens with Augie as he gets older. But right now I'm getting, I'm getting the five-year-old finger when it comes to mommy, trying to educate him on anything. 

[00:31:55] Jeannette: I get that. I get that so much. So how has, having subsequent children kind of shifted your relationship with the various spirits that you interact with, because it seems like you have a cadre around you. 

[00:32:12] Chakra Khan: Um, I closed off the house. We had, um, we've lived in a few haunted places. And Basil, um, had an attachment that we got rid of last June. That attachment came to me and was when I was planning to, you know, the ritual to get rid of it.

[00:32:38] It came to me and it was like, I need to be here. 

[00:32:42] Jeannette: Yeah.

[00:32:43] Chakra Khan: I need to be here. So after that, I just closed everything because I don't want my other children to experience what Basil did. And for Basil must've been living with it for a long time for me to not notice it, you know? 

[00:33:04] Jeannette: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the thing, like when things get attached to, or attracted to kids, it's like how. Yeah, how to deal with that.. 

[00:33:17] Chakra Khan: Especially when I do it at a young age, you know, you don't, I didn't know. I didn't know. I just, you know, particularly Basil has autism, you know, he had the diagnosis is was Asperger's, but they don't give that diagnosis anymore.

[00:33:34] So, you know, he's always been an interesting person.

[00:33:43] Jeannette: Hmm. So now everything's sealed off and you're, you're able to still do the work that you're doing, but, you know, no fly zone 

[00:33:50] Chakra Khan: we have to put out I found, reinforced the boundaries every day. Every day. Cause I feel like I don't know how much you know about this area. Joshua tree, joshua tree, um, is a deeply spiritual place.

[00:34:08] There are 14 vortexes here, portals. Um, there is giant rock out here, which is rumored to be an alien landing. There's lots of spiritual activity. So I think when you are a spirit or an entity living amongst millions of people that cannot see you, the few people that can see you, you go knocking repeatedly needing that, needing that interaction.

[00:34:45] Yes. Because they love us.

[00:34:50] Jeannette: Yes. And then like, you know, I guess also, which I guess like makes the sense to have the no fly zone because they especially love children. I feel like children haven't tricked themselves out of hearing out of here out of seeing and being okay with it or realizing like there's a whole different world out there.

[00:35:09] Despite like whatever the teacher or my extra playmate, like whatever says. I, I remember having ghost playmates as a kid. 

[00:35:18] Chakra Khan: So how did you approach that? Because truthfully, this is something that I struggle with, you know, being raised in a fundamentalist, Christian cult, this was spiritism, it was bad. It was demonic.

[00:35:33] So. Basil's telling me that there's things there. I freak out a panic. I am, I am still learning how to have a good relationship with them right now. It just all kind of, you know, triggers that, that early, that early soundtrack I was played. 

[00:35:56] Jeannette: So with the eldest, it's more like tell that shit to get out your body.

[00:36:04] And, I try to be really heavy on the spiritual hygiene. I'm all about spiritual baths. I'm all about mopping floors. I'm all about smudging because as a kid I had a hard time, even as an adult, I have a hard time being in my body. And I know like if I'm not in my body, what else is 

[00:36:20] so 

[00:36:24] be careful and I have to be careful around them.

[00:36:27] The second one doesn't have that problem because he's like, what if something messes with him, they going to have a fight. Cause that's just who he is. But the first one. It's very much like, you know, how's your body. What color is your body today? Is, oh, is that yours? Is this yours. You know, if it's not yours, tell him to get out.

[00:36:50] Chakra Khan: He's able to play with them and engage with them. 

[00:36:54] Jeannette: Um, the things that have visited him have not been nice. 

[00:37:00] Chakra Khan: Yeah.

[00:37:00] Jeannette: In France, they'd been kind of bullies, in America.

[00:37:05] Chakra Khan: So like I said,, so it's like GTFO. 

[00:37:07] Jeannette: Yeah, like I remember the first place we moved in, the spirits were like, you don't belong here. You need to get out. I'm like, what, they told you what?,

[00:37:21] Chakra Khan: oh, his poor little souls, 

[00:37:23] Jeannette: but, um, things are better where we're at. 

[00:37:28] Chakra Khan: Wow. Wow. How old is he? He is seven. Amazing. 

[00:37:38] Jeannette: So anything but that, I mean, he is just so interesting to me, he's, because he's so physical with it and I'm just not physical 

[00:37:49] Chakra Khan: right.

[00:37:50] Jeannette: I'm like a breeze, woooo

[00:37:57] He's like I'm in my body, my stomach is no longer yellow. This is a problem. The darkness has taken me over Mama. 

[00:38:04] Chakra Khan: What a sensitive little guy you have 

[00:38:08] Jeannette: and the other one's just pure power

[00:38:10] Chakra Khan: That's a blessing

[00:38:12] Jeannette: They need each other. I'm so happy they're together. 

[00:38:17] Chakra Khan: That's why you had both

[00:38:22] Jeannette: man, these children.

[00:38:26] Chakra Khan: These children are amazing. 

[00:38:30] Jeannette: They are. And I feel like I would be so much more messed up and smaller without them, 

[00:38:39] Chakra Khan: You know, they really, if you are a good parent and when I say a good parent that is willing to grow learn, make mistakes and apologize with your kids. Right? It was a big turning point for me is realizing, I don't know what the F I'm doing and that's okay.

[00:39:02] It's it's okay. Because I don't want my scars to be passed on to my kids, so I don't want them to have the same. The same upbringing I did, um, shame and everything was bad and judgment, you know? That's how I know I'm a good parent is, you know, I've never once told my kids they're bad. And when other people are like, oh, he was being bad.

[00:39:32] I said, no, they're just exploring. They're having a difficult time. We don't know how to communicate these feelings we're feeling, but my child inherently is not bad. You take that biblical BS and fuck off. 

[00:39:44] Jeannette: That's so powerful though, because the kids get pelted with that. Like they get pushed through this little box of behaviors that they're supposed to be modeling, but those behaviors don't even serve them.

[00:39:55] Chakra Khan: No, they're just exploring. They're exploring. They're figuring out they are finding out, but they are, you know, they are honesty and. They're honesty and integrity. I hate when people get mad, when kids lie they're like, oh, you know, they're so dishonest. They're lying. And I said, no, they're afraid of your reaction.

[00:40:16] So like, let's, let's keep it real here.

[00:40:23] Yeah. Inherently. They're wanting to say, I don't know how many times my Basil told me when he was little Mom when I marry, when I get married, I'm going to marry someone just like you, but with shorter boobs.

[00:40:49] They're honest and we teach them to be dishonest to save feelings, which is fine.

[00:41:00] Jeannette: Wow. Like you are, wow. You are living the life. I want to talk to you, but I have to, go get the kids. The thing is, they just, they just let the eldest out. So like, he'll be just wandering around looking for me. And, this is not safe. Can you not 

[00:41:15] Chakra Khan: do that? 

[00:41:16] Jeannette: Can you not let my child wander the streets 

[00:41:19] Chakra Khan: You mean like outside your house?

[00:41:22] Jeannette: When it's time for him to come out of school, they just let him walk out. 

[00:41:25] Chakra Khan: Go get your baby 

[00:41:29] Jeannette: Usually I'm like close by but, somebody could just snatch you and they wouldn't know. 

[00:41:34] Chakra Khan: No, no. And that's that scary? Go get your kids. 

[00:41:38] Jeannette: Oh, I am. It's like, I want to talk to you again though. You inspire me in the sense of like, um, you are free, you're free woman. There's something about being free.

[00:41:52] That I don't think that a lot of women get that they can be. 

[00:41:57] Chakra Khan: What do you mean? Right. Free. Do you mean like giving zero fucks 

[00:42:03] Jeannette: You're yourself, you're yourself. And you're one with nature in a way that, um, Oh, how do I describe what I'm seeing? Nature pulls off the boundaries. You're working with a plant and it pulls all boundaries that are imposed by man.

[00:42:17] And it pulls off constructs that are imposed by man and not supposed to be at least that's what I'm seeing like this constantly evolving and growing plant, but like, there are parts that are like our other plants that are helping and grow and helping evolve kind of like, you know, fungus helps trees grow? 

[00:42:35] Chakra Khan: I love, I love fungi and there's so much to talk about about how amazing, how amazing it is. Have you watched that documentary on Netflix? 

[00:42:52] Jeannette: Hmm. There's so much I have not done. 

[00:42:55] Chakra Khan: When was, when you watch, I am going to beseech you to watch this because mushrooms, one of the coolest things I found out is that mushrooms help trees communicate.

[00:43:10] Jeannette: Yeah. 

[00:43:12] Chakra Khan: I like my mind was blown. We think about us communicating with them, but mushrooms are the helpers. They are the ones that help trees send extra nutrients to its offspring. Like it's like this world is cosmic. It's so cosmic. And we compared to, compared to all of the magnificent plants in the ways that we can't communicate like they're so.

[00:43:41] There are cosmic and magical and amazing, and being able to have access to them so we can hear how they communicate and maybe help better ourselves. It's remarkable. 

[00:43:58] Jeannette: Thank you for being willing to do this.

[00:44:01] Chakra Khan: Oh my pleasure, well, thank you for reaching out. That was, this was fun. 

[00:44:07] Jeannette: Wasn't that beautiful. I thought it was beautiful. I prayed it, it blessed you and you found beauty in it. I just, that one relationship with that plant, that relationship with Mary Jane opened up, everything opened up everything. And Mary Jane was always around watching and being like, I'm gonna get you one day, just opened up.

[00:44:30] So she could parent Basil in a way that was aligned with her being in Basil's being connected her to a whole different, you know, bunch of other plans to support her in her growth and her development. Just, it's amazing. It's amazing to me how things come together when we allow our spiritual gifts

[00:44:57] to guide us and to help us flourish. So if you want to get with Chakra Khan, you can find her on Instagram at Namastoned N-A-M-A-S-T-O-N-E-D Namastoned , where you can learn more about what she's into. Like her yoga classes as well as Chakra Khan does tarot readings readings. So you want a reading from her, which she briefly mentioned.

[00:45:25] We talked a little bit about spiritual work in the interview. If you want a tarot reading from Chakra Khan, be sure to slide in her DMS and let her know. Okay. Let her know you're interested. Um, so for the next interview, I had the opportunity to talk to. Uh, Assata Dela Cruz of Cottage Core Rising, you can check out cottage core rising at C-O-T-T-A-G-E-C-O-R-E-R-I-S-I-N-G.com. You could also catch cottage core rising on Instagram, cottage core rising is a apothecary, owned by Assata Dela Cruz. That's rooted in fostering community through the appreciation and the application of Yorba and Chahta ancestral wisdom.

[00:46:15] In addition to organic herbs, extracts and oils for purchase there are bi-weekly classes and workshops on how holistic living as well as private and group yoga classes, recognizing that sacred healing begins in the womb Assata also offers holistic birth postpartum support as a doula, breastfeeding counselor and childbirth education.

[00:46:39] So this interview with, um, uh,Assata was really amazing. For me in the sense of, for her talking about her spiritual gifts and how things spiritually unfolded her life, her spirituality unfolded was like, her gifts were always present within her, but it got to a point where.

[00:47:05] Her gifts needed to be shared. And she recognized that her gifts were actually gifts that she needed to share with people around her, because her gifts led to a blessing where, you know, she can't just keep it to herself. She's been blessed and this blessing needs to support her community, uplift her community.

[00:47:25] Jeannette: And, and that was, that touched my spirit it was really beautiful talking to her.

[00:47:31] So I pray that you tune in next time and that you can be inspired and touched by this conversation too. Anyway, thank you for being here.

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[00:48:03] Whatever you can also find me on Instagram at spirituality, underscore motherhood, underscore pod, just slide in my DMS, just slide in them and be like, Hey, look now. And again, like I'm not the end. All know all be all of everything, but you know, if you got a question, I'll do a segment or, you know, ask a mom depending on what you seeking.

[00:48:27] I look forward to connecting again with you soon. Stay blessed.